Carpooling
I feel like I have had no end of frustration relating to carpooling lately. And I don’t know what to do about it. I remember the days when a boyfriend and I would go on road trips together. Sometimes just the two of us, sometimes there would be a group. But he had pretty strict rules about carpooling.
1. The driver of the car always filled up his car with gas at the nearest gas station to the driver’s house.
2. At the very end of the road trip, at the same gas station there was a fill-up
3. The cost of the gas in step 1 was at the driver’s expense, all other fill ups, including step 2 was split evenly among those in the car.
4. Everything was logged and calculated — km’s travelled, costs of the trip, costs of the food. All clear planned and above board, split evenly.
This meant that the while the driver bore the cost of the trip in terms of oil, wear and tear etc, they at least didn’t get screwed on the gas. This also was with the stipulation that other road trips used other vehicles at other times following the above rules. So it all balanced out and wasn’t a big deal.
So I go to Seattle often, and even since my road trip days with old boyfriend, I’ve tended to go on road trips fairly often. So how have I gone on road trips? I follow that guideline loosely. I don’t always fill up at the start, particularly if it’s to Seattle. Why? Because to Seattle I know how much the gasoline costs in my car for a round trip (around $60 or 1 full tank). But, generally, I try to split the gasoline fairly among the people in the car. I’ve had some friends, who by choice don’t own a car, so on one road trip — to Kelowna, they paid the gas entirely out of appreciation for me taking them with me. They recognized that paying my gas was much cheaper than renting a car, using a coop car or owning their own car, and less stressful for them as they got to relax and enjoy the ride with little stress.
When I am a passenger in the car, I pay my fair share of gasoline and I always make sure to bring snacks for the trip. Sometimes I shop for road trip food, and other times I do a fair amount of baking. The costs are variable, but hopefully even if I don’t spend a lot of money at the store, the costs of my time are present also. I do try to shop or bake when I’m the driver, and 99% of the time I do. But regardless, I look at these things something that I do to help make the road trip more fun, helps with food for people and hopefully it is appreciated.
I have found it frustrating that there have been many times I’ve set up car pools, even smaller ones, such as to Abbotsford, and people don’t always offer to pay gas. In fact, I’m guilty of that too. I’ve forgotten. I know that I’ve generally gone with people who have come with me at other times, and I know I haven’t always been paid. Hopefully it has all balanced out. So, I’m hoping that when I’ve forgotten, I haven’t generated any resentment in my friends. I know that we’re all hesitant to ask for money from each other, or to bring up the subject.
Here’s the thing I’ve found. People who don’t own cars generally have little idea of the costs of running a car. If one thinks of gas, maintenance, repairs, insurance, depreciation that increases along with the increased mileage, it’s huge. Then there’s also the inconvenience factor. Even if it’s not really out of the way, it can feel like it.
There was this one guy in my circle of friends, at one point, who constantly asked for rides home. He didn’t have a driver’s license (and in fact said ‘oh I don’t really feel the need for one) and he would assume that he could get a ride home — even if it was out of the driver’s way — and he’d not bother asking until it was too late to bus it home (he couldn’t afford a taxi). It frustrated all of us because we felt obligated to give him rides. He would expect to be driven 15 min out of the way to his house at times, never say thank you, never offer gas money and always just expect to be driven around. We all started saying no to him. And he was never invited when we went on road trips.
I have one friend, who I really appreciate, drives me to a particular dance every week (or every week that I go). It’s literally on the way for him to pick me up (IE he could drive past my house on the way there even if I didn’t go). I don’t pay him gas, per se, but I do appreciate it — so I try to bake for him, or help him out when he needs it. I’ve also given him a thank you gift of my homemade jam (which, given the cost of the berries and the cost of my time is probably way more expensive than any gas sharing money would be).
Here’s the thing. Seattle to Vancouver is around 500 km. For the round trip… This is more than a full tank of gas in the city for me, but about a full tank on the highway, if I’m lucky. This distance can be slightly less or slightly more, but that’s a good rough estimate. The current estimate for mileage cost that companies use right now is about $0.45/km. This estimate includes all the factors I mentioned above — wear and tear etc. The nice thing is that for a one off road trip that’s work related, it doesn’t really affect the value of a car in the long run. A regular thing though and $0.45/km and the owner of the car is not the winner…
But regardless, it’s not a ‘profit’ thing for the owner of the vehicle. So what would a round trip to Seattle be if we were to charge the people the real cost? Well 500km X $0.45/km = $225.00 for the vehicle. In the case of the most recent trip, it probably would have been slightly less than that because the mileage was in the high 490’s, but it’s a close enough estimate. For a carload of 5 people that would be about $45/person, for a carload of 3 people that’s $75. So from my perspective, when I’m simply charged the price of gas for a trip to Seattle, I’m happy to pay my share of that. In fact, if I know that a friend’s car is more (bigger, SUV etc), I don’t let them swallow the extra gas costs, because I know very well that the real cost of going to Seattle is already getting swallowed up by that person.
So when a friend tosses me $20 and then later asks for some back because the one fill up that they saw was only $35 (and, to point out, we were still in Seattle at that point), I get pretty offended. When we discuss the issue and they complain that they brought food and spent close to $20 on it and think that this means they’ve paid more than their share. I’m offended. During the drive, when they don’t even try to keep up a stream of chatter when it’s late and we’re tired to keep the driver awake, I’m annoyed. When during the argument, they express that they’re offended with me because I bought myself some snacks that the other person in the car also ate while I didn’t specifically ‘offer’ them some. I’m annoyed. In my perspective, road trip food is communal in the car. No ‘offering’ is needed. And besides, in this case, the said carpool-argument person was allergic to the stuff anyways and I knew it, so why would I offer it to them??
I’ve had carpool issues a lot recently, but this is one I’d never expected. I’m pretty seriously concerned as this person was a good friend of mine. It’s their first time in the carpool with me (for this distance, they do ask for rides a lot, though), and it will be the last. I’m also not happy with how argumentative, tried to pass the ‘blame’, and such, that they were. I felt attacked and like I needed to defend my position. I offered multiple times to give them the money back with the stipulation that carpooling is no longer an option. It’s no longer an option, with me, regardless. It’s mean but now that I’ve seen their true colours, when they said ‘so we’re good’ when we had to agree to disagree, I said ‘not at the moment, I don’t feel very good’ but what was going through my head was that I’m not sure I want to remain close friends with them, they just don’t know how to treat people well.
It just feels like every time I turn around I’m being thrown more stresses with friends. I sometimes wonder why I even bother. I’m a little freaked out about the San Fran road trip, as a result, and I hope it doesn’t lead to the end of some friendships. Friendships that I greatly value. I hope I’m wrong.
onein36million
Oh dear – I’m so sorry you’re having a rough time with this. I know that in the past I’ve been the not so great one with carpooling and I’m ever so glad that Joanne verbally smacked me upside the head to let me know. And you’re quite right, car non-owners have zero clue how much it really costs.
About San Francisco, with a distance like that I’d have to say you’d do well to get some things stated overtly. Like sharing of gas costs, what happens if there’s a speeding ticket or flat tire (some people assume share, others don’t), snacks and meal stops, everything. I’d think with a big drive like that it wouldn’t seem out of the ordinary at all.
Many hugs!
oasis1223
And it feels worse right now. There were two friends in the car. Both good ones, one owns a jeep and knows the cost. One’s never owned a vehicle (and doesn’t have a driver’s license). The one who owns the jeep was the one who suggested it to the non-driver. Saying ‘we got a sweet deal on Gas, it’s probably only $40 for the trip not $60, you should ask for money back’.
When I asked jeep-friend, thinking that perhaps they just commented on that fill up, I was shocked.
I don’t think I want to carpool with people anymore and that makes me really sad. I feel like I’m losing something that’s been pretty great and pretty special in the past.
But this means re-doing money so that I can dance more in Seattle. It’s where I’m having the most fun right now.
onein36million
Hmm. Check out flight deals for San Francisco maybe? 🙂 And don’t let two twits ruin it for you. Just from now on remember that there are twits out there, and before you carpool set ground rules. State’em lightly, maybe with a pre-amble like, “So I know this sounds silly, but I got kinda burned on a trip so now I have to say this. I’d love to carpool with you, but here are the ground rules.” Cover splitting gas, cover timing of travel and where you go, whatever hurdles you think you can expect. Going down there seems to be something you really enjoy – and it’ll be tougher if you’re doing it alone.
oasis1223
True. Good friends they’re supposed to be but twits they are currently. I am sure the road trip wont be as bad as I think, and I’ve checked for cheap flights and our travel timing and cost is cheaper than flying. Especially if we get one more person. With three of us it’s cheaper to drive than fly.
In a week or so I’ll send out a casual email outlining my thoughts on the subject. The people in this carpool are more mature than the twits… or so it currently appears to me at the moment…